During a Case-Based Roundtable® event, Michael J. Birrer, MD, PhD, moderated a discussion on what factors affect the need for testing and treatment changes in patients with recurrent endometrial carcinoma.
EVENT REGION New England and Mid-Atlantic
PARTICIPANT LIST Joshua Strauss, MD | Sandeep Malik, MD | Richard Penson, MD | Susana Campos, MD | Anita Gul, MD | Madhavi Gorusu, MD | Peter Georges, MD | Jose Silva, MD
Birrer: Should every patient with endometrial cancer undergo molecular testing? What biomarkers are you testing for? For a neoadjuvant patient, are you doing it on the endometrial biopsy? What specifically are you ordering? And then how does that factor into your decision-making?
Strauss: I like to know the MMR status. In patients with locally advanced or metastatic disease I’ll also check next-generation sequencing [NGS]. We usually send to Foundation Medicine, so hopefully we’ve gotten enough tumor tissue, and we will send that for NGS.
Birrer: MSI status is important because that might guide you sooner than later, although maybe later, about what you might use to treat patients.
Malik: I would agree with Dr Strauss, and then I would want to look at HER2/neu status also.
Penson: [At Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston], we do p53, MMR by immunohistochemistry [IHC], and HER2 on everybody now. There’s a debate about POLE. Some of the [patients with p53 mutations] will do better with a POLE mutation as a secondary event. That’s coming but isn’t available [yet].
Birrer: [The POLE gene] is big, and it’s hard to sequence.
Campos: How long does that take to come back?
Penson: The problem is not so much how long it takes to come back; it takes 10 days once you get tissue. [Depending on the hospital,] it is difficult to get tissue.… They can take 2 or 3 weeks to get tissue, and then it takes 4 weeks [total] to get an answer, but most of the time it’s fast.
Gul: I have started doing it more in the first-line setting at the time of diagnosis. I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do.
Gorusu: I would concur with what others have said. In-house we do the HER2 and the panel of the 4 MMR proteins as well.
Campos: We’ve had a debate…getting HER2/neu on every specimen as opposed to having to ask for it, which is problematic. I was wondering if everybody has that luxury of having HER2/neu every time there’s a serous histology.
Birrer: It’s a good question because the answer here [at Winthrop P. Rockefeller Cancer Institute in Little Rock, Arkansas] is no.
Campos: Yes, that is [the answer at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston] too.
Birrer: Yes, we have to push for it. And DESTINY-PanTumor02 [NCT04482309], which I think was a spectacular study, has made it more problematic. We need it. Frankly, I think repeat staining later in the natural history of disease is also necessary.
Campos: Yes, I agree.
DISCUSSION QUESTION
Campos: I’ve tended to just take a history, and if there’s a significant family history, then I send patients off. I’d be curious to see what other people do.
Gorusu: I have a very low threshold to get the genetics team involved. I would leave it to the genetics team if the insurance approves it, and then they can get the testing done. If they don’t have any family and progeny, that’s a different thing.
Birrer: Have you had insurance refuse it?
Gorusu: Rarely. I don’t think I have come across anything recently that I think should change my practice. But, for the most part, they have been covering it.
Birrer: Yes, I would agree on that, which is in stark contrast to 8 years ago, where we were challenged a lot on this.
DISCUSSION QUESTION
Birrer: The National Comprehensive Cancer Network [NCCN] supports 4 clinically significant molecular subgroups: the POLE mutation, MSI-high/MMR deficient, nonspecific molecular phenotype, and the p53 abnormal.1 The p53 abnormal [subtype] tracks with papillary serous tumors, although there will be some high-grade endometrioid carcinomas in there.
Are you all thinking about these when you begin to treat a patient with endometrial cancer or is it just dMMR because it [indicates treatment with] IO [immunotherapy] and serous histology, or do you think about these 4 significant molecular subgroups?
Strauss: I don’t think the p53 has any clinical utility right now. I don’t think it helps you choose.
Georges: The p53 might have some implications in the future with maintenance therapy if selinexor [Xpovio] gets approved, but I’m not sure. Are you able to use [the p53 subgroup] in your practice at this point?
Birrer: I think it’s a great observation…. My view is p53, and even POLE mutation, are a bit on the edge, POLE being a subgroup where you might not have to do anything and p53 being a poor prognostic feature which some studies said those are the patients who benefit from adjuvant therapy and chemotherapy. But to me it’s not level 1 evidence yet. If you’re doing the selinexor trial [ENGOT-EN5/GOG-3055/SIENDO (NCT03555422)] where you need a wild type [p53], then you need to know what the p53 status is, but that’s a clinical trial.
Penson: Before the threshold for adjuvant chemotherapy became node positivity, there was a lot of interest in the deeply invasive high-grade tumors being ones that might benefit from adjuvant chemotherapy. In that group, we do use p53 as the discriminator, with about 10% of high-grade endometrioid tumors harboring a p53 mutation, and they probably get benefit.
Birrer: That is, benefit from adjuvant chemotherapy?
Penson: Yes, exactly, and not node positive. But they are…highly invasive grade 3 endometrioid tumors. It feels like they’re dangerous, and they probably would benefit. There’s no evidence base to hang that on. Dr Campos is on the NCCN committee, and I think that’s why the wording [in the guidelines] is so nebulous and yet encourages…thinking about these 4 subtypes.
The next group to benefit from IO in NRG-GY018 [NCT03914612], the pembrolizumab study, is likely to be the [tumors carrying the p53 mutation]. It feels like the indication may expand to those. For those, I don’t add IO [yet]. I think we need the data because it’s not so much about [being able to] prevent recurrence and progression, it’s about impacting overall survival. I think the level of data is going to need to be greater for IO.
Campos: I completely agree, and there are also passenger mutations. What if you have a p53 mutation and dMMR? Which mutation predominates, and how should you navigate that therapy? There are no data because these are so rare.
Penson: Coming back to that insurance [question] is interesting. We take a risk by treating HER2 [IHC] 2+ tumors with trastuzumab deruxtecan [Enhertu] because the hospital used to be very generous, [but it] is no longer generous. There are bills that go through to the patient…. Likewise, with mirvetuximab soravtansine [Elahere] in ovarian cancer, we’re starting to treat patients with less than 75% [FRα] expression.… The advocacy for patients’ access to effective therapies has beaten back some of the resistance from insurers.
Campos: If the patient had a stage I endometrioid grade 3 p53-mutated uterine cancer, is the consensus to treat with chemotherapy or not?
Birrer: I would probably give them adjuvant therapy.
Campos: Right. What if the patient also had dMMR [status]?
Birrer: That would be an IO and chemotherapy in stage I, if you can get it covered. If I recall correctly, those are mostly patients with advanced disease.
Georges: I don’t have a big volume of endometrial cancer, but I would follow the NCCN guidelines…and not use anything off label, just adjuvant chemotherapy at this point.
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
Birrer: Particularly for those individuals you want to repeat treatment with systemic chemotherapy vs lenvatinib/pembrolizumab with pMMR [status], what determines that? Is it the platinum-free interval?
Strauss: I have rechallenged carboplatin/paclitaxel if [the interval] was more than a year, successfully. Sometimes carboplatin/paclitaxel is better tolerated than lenvatinib, and if you think that somebody is still platinum sensitive, I don’t mind not [avoiding carboplatin] completely.
Campos: I think that there was some subset analysis done on [NRG-GY018] that showed that with a platinum-free interval of greater than or equal to 12 months, you may benefit from carboplatin/paclitaxel plus pembrolizumab.2 Then the question is would you benefit from carboplatin/paclitaxel plus [pembrolizumab] or would you rather go to pembrolizumab and lenvatinib. I do think there’s a point in time where carboplatin still holds some relevance; the question is when.
Birrer: From my perspective, I’ve never been as impressed with the platinum-free interval in endometrial cancer as I’ve been with [it in] ovarian [cancer]. I remain a little skeptical about that. In this case, I’m a big lenvatinib/pembrolizumab fan because I figure I can always go back to chemotherapy later, but I [understand].
Penson: [Lenvatinib/pembrolizumab before rechallenge] is my philosophy as well, I agree.
Campos: What is your cutoff? If a patient progresses at 6 months regardless of histology, you go to pembrolizumab/lenvatinib, but what if a patient relapses at 13 months?
Birrer: I personally don’t have a cutoff because I don’t believe the data [support rechallenge], but…if I had a patient who went on lenvatinib/pembrolizumab and went out 2.5 years [until progression], would I go back to chemotherapy? Yes, I would.
Campos: You have to go back to KEYNOTE-775 [NCT03517449], which didn’t have a platinum-based arm, so let’s factor that into the equation.
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
Birrer: In the case of a patient with pMMR advanced metastatic [disease] who receives frontline IO—because that’s where we are now—rather than chemotherapy [alone], and then progresses on that regimen, what will be your subsequent treatment approach?
Silva: Most likely I would add lenvatinib at this point…and maybe continue the IO.
Birrer: To what degree does the timeline on maintenance IO prior to disease progression influence your subsequent therapy? Let’s say the patient gets IO/chemotherapy, goes through all the IO, does well, and then has recurrence a year after. Is that the same as the first case or would you come back with lenvatinib/pembrolizumab and re-treat with pembrolizumab?
Georges: I would use combination lenvatinib with IO at that point. Although, they [had IO] previously, so it might not get as good of a response with the combination, but it’s worth a try.
Birrer: With NRG-GY018 and RUBY [NCT03981796], this is, frankly, what we’re dealing with now.
Campos: What if they were HER2/neu positive? Would you go to IO again or would you go to a [trastuzumab deruxtecan]-based regimen?
Birrer: It’s a great question. [DESTINY-PanTumor02] was very impressive. I might do [trastuzumab deruxtecan] knowing that I could go back to lenvatinib/pembrolizumab after that. Any thoughts on that?
Penson: I don’t think there are [many patients like that]…a HER2/neu-driven tumor is unlikely to be a tumor [that has no more] progression of disease 3 years into carboplatin/paclitaxel/pembrolizumab. They’re normally worse-behaving tumors. It is a great drug; I am completely on board with that. My practice has changed. The dMMR tumors [are indicated to] get 1 year of IO, and I continuously treat with pembrolizumab because it feels like these tumors relapse once you stop pembrolizumab. This question doesn’t quite fit our practice.