GUZLEY: It’s going to depend on the severity. Someone on dasatinib who [requires] a pericardial window for tamponade is not going back on dasatinib. Someone who has a little cough that I can take care of with a dose reduction [would continue treatment]. If someone on nilotinib [Tasigna] gets themselves an admission for diabetic ketoacidosis, they’re not going back on nilotinib. You have to look at not only the toxicity but the severity of the toxicity. Grade 2 diarrhea is unpleasant, and that’s going to [affect] the quality of life for a lot of patients. Grade 1, maybe not so much, but…if I’m making a choice between sticking with a drug that I think is the best option for a given patient and going to what I think is second best, I’d better have a good reason for doing that.
KOVOOR: I haven’t had many issues with significant AEs, but for me, it would depend on the severity of it and what it is. If it’s someone who’s getting pleural effusions where they’re having bad dyspnea or they can’t move, I may decide to change it. If it’s someone who is getting periodic thoracentesis, I might consider a dose reduction. [I look] at the AE, the severity of it, and how it’s affecting the patient’s quality of life and the family members who are aiding and giving care as well.
MODERATOR SIDEBAR
Targeted Oncology: How does the patient’s BCR::ABL1 level influence whether to dose reduce tyrosine kinase inhibitors?
SWEET: A study looked at the kinetics of BCR::ABL1 [level] decline... and the excessive deaths that were related to dose reductions and dose interruptions [due to] treatment-related toxicities or financial burdens [due to] treatment.4 Patients [may have] financial toxicity or treatment-related toxicity and have to hold their dose or lower the dose too low and ultimately [experience disease progression], then die because of the missed doses. [The study] looked at the level of response that correlated to the probability of death from CML.
As long as [someone’s response] is less than 1% on the international scale for BCR::ABL1, their overall survival is excellent, and 1% is approximately equivalent to a complete cytogenetic response.4 Once a patient gets to a value of 1% or less, perhaps that is a point where we want to consider dose reduction as long as they can maintain their response less than 1% on the international scale, because that level of BCR::ABL1 control correlates well with excellent disease control and prolonged survival. But the lower doses will also cause [fewer] treatment-related toxicities and less financial toxicity, which ultimately benefits the patient.
DISCUSSION QUESTION
- How would you manage this patient with grade 2 diarrhea?
WANG: For this patient, I would probably dose reduce first… [or] hold for a period until the diarrhea resolved and then dose reduce. Oftentimes, people will tolerate [treatment] better with a slightly reduced [dose of] bosutinib. I had patients like that doing just fine several years later, so I’d do dose reduction first.
SKIBA: I’d try loperamide [Imodium] or diphenoxylate/atropine [Lomotil] first and see whether that controls the diarrhea, and if that didn’t do it, then I’d hold it until the diarrhea subsided, and then I’d try to restart it again.
LUU: I’d hold it, rule out infection, and then go down 1 dose reduction and go from there. If they were very sick with the diarrhea and continued to have it despite the dose reduction and wanted to switch, I’d switch, but I’d try to maximize the bosutinib.
SWEET: When you have patients who have toxicities from their TKIs, how do you manage that? Do you usually bring them in more frequently? Do you try to manage them over the phone? Do you have your advanced practice providers seeing these patients regularly?
JOHNSON: It depends on what the toxicity is. If there’s any concern over the phone or [from] any messaging, I have a low threshold to bring them in, especially when they’re first starting.
REDDY: I see most patients with CML. I don’t have nurses or nurse practitioners to see them. With bosutinib, is the lowest dose [300 mg a day], or is there any lower dose that patients can use and maintain?
My feeling is dasatinib has a lot of room to use. I’ve seen patients given [doses] as low as 20 mg [starting from] 100 mg…. It looks like we have more room to adjust on dasatinib. I’m trying to get a feel [for] whether bosutinib also has the same. I have a patient on a 100-mg [dose], and he’s [older], not able to maintain molecular remission, but for him that [dose is working]. He already [did not complete treatment] on dasatinib.
SWEET: There are some data on efficacy of 300 mg a day that have been published [Table3]. In a setting of kidney dysfunction or liver dysfunction, there are recommendations to go lower than that.4 I have patients who are on 100 mg a day or 200 mg a day for a variety of different reasons, but I don’t typically recommend that because I think the concern would be long-term efficacy in that setting [because of ] potentially breeding resistance over time. We don’t have the data in that setting, but there are data to support 300 mg a day. I have patients on 200 mg a day who have undetectable BCR::ABL1 [Sidebar].
DISCUSSION QUESTION
- How do you ensure continued adherence to TKI therapy by your patients?
SWEET: It’s a challenge for everybody. I [manage] CML for a living. It’s [a disease in approximately] 60% of my patient population, and I still haven’t found the right answer to get patients to adhere.
GUZLEY: What I tell patients when I first meet them is that we have a disease now that I can [manage] the same way I would…keep high blood pressure under control, but before those drugs were available, this was a 2-year [time to] death, and there was not a thing I could do about it. I make the point clearly that the No. 1 reason individuals lose their responses is not taking the medicine, and I make it clear that without control of the disease, you’re going to die. I don’t use the word cure, but I can control it for the rest of their life.
SKIBA: I have the same approach, especially for [younger] people. I tell them that if they take their drug, they can most likely have the same lifespan as somebody else their age. If they lie to me or choose not to take their medication, I say up front that I’m going to let them go from the practice because I can’t watch somebody who has a [manageable] disease not help themselves.
SWEET: What do they say to that?
SKIBA: They get startled. We’ve had a handful of younger people die from this over the years, and that’s heartbreaking to watch.
SWEET: I’m…making a generalization, but it’s typically the younger ones, at least in my experience. Of all the patients with blast-phase CML I have treated, they’re almost all in their 20s and 30s…. I’ve seen it in all [age groups], but it’s…a hard age group to convince that they need to stay on a drug every day.
GUZLEY: That is applicable to most metastatic solid tumors and a number of the liquid tumors. I [tell my younger] patients with testicular cancer…“I need to see you at least once a year,” but most of them never show back up.
ALOBA: Patients are usually worried about the diagnosis, so most of the patient population I treat are adherent to their medication.
SWEET: I try to normalize missing doses…as if I have expected that they did miss a dose. Rather than asking, “Have you missed any doses in the past month or in the past 3 months?” I’ll ask the question, “How many doses have you missed?” Because we’re all human, so I am getting an idea of how many that may be so I’ll know how to interpret PCR [polymerase chain reaction] results when I get them. For some patients, that works.
It makes them feel a little more comfortable telling me, “I missed 1 [dose] this month” or “I miss 1 [dose] a week.” For other patients, it probably doesn’t do anything. I have found that in some cases, normalizing that expectation, even though it’s not what I would like to hear, does allow them to be a little more forthcoming.
JOHNSON: I always bring up the possibility of a break…if we get a good remission. Not at the beginning, but I incorporate it at some point.
SWEET: This is a proactive patient population for the most part, and a lot them know that’s an option close to the time that they [receive a] diagnosis. I’ve found that’s a question they ask on the first visit. It is a bit of a carrot that you can dangle, which works for some patients.
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