Expert Discusses Impact of Immunotherapy, Molecular Testing Advances in NSCLC


Joel Neal, MD, PhD, discusses how recent immunotherapy advances are transitioning the field of NSCLC and how the impact of molecular testing continues to shape treatment decisions.

Joel Neal, MD

Joel Neal, MD

2017 is poised to be another pivotal year in non—small cell lung cancer (NSCLC), given the exciting advances in field at the end of last year.

In October 2016, the FDA approved pembrolizumab (Keytruda) for the frontline treatment of patients with metastatic NSCLC whose tumors have more than 50% PD-L1 expression. The agent was previously approved for second-line NSCLC.

Also in October 2016, the FDA approved atezolizumab (Tecentriq) for the treatment of patients with metastatic NSCLC who have progressed after a platinum-containing regimen and an FDA-approved targeted therapy for those patients harboringEGFRorALKabnormalities.

Nivolumab (Opdivo), which is approved by the FDA in second-line NSCLC, had negative first-line NSCLC results from the CheckMate-026 trial reported in October 2016 at the annual ESMO Congress. However, researchers have noted issues that contributed to the negative findings, including the PD-L1 expression inclusion criteria used in the study.

In a recent interview withTargeted Oncology, Joel Neal, MD, PhD, assistant professor of Medicine (Oncology), Stanford University Medical Center, discussed how recent immunotherapy advances are transitioning the field of NSCLC and how the impact of molecular testing continues to shape treatment decisions.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:What are some exciting advancements in lung cancer we have witnessed over the last year?


The biggest thing that comes first to mind is immunotherapy. After a couple of years, we are getting a better understanding of how immunotherapy works, who it works for, and who we should use it in. However, we haven’t quite figured out who we shouldn’t use it in yet.

We are refining what our probability is that a given patient will respond to immunotherapy. There are 3 drugs that all have approval and a couple more waiting in the wings. The biggest questions are, who should we give it to in first line, who should we maybe wait for second line, and who should we wait for third line and beyond?

There are also some developments for targeted therapies. One of the big exciting stories forEGFR-mutant lung cancer was theT790M-active drug osimertinib (Tagrisso). Testing forT790Mhas become a very hot topic as that drug has become FDA approved, as well.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:What are your thoughts on frontline PD-1 inhibitors in NSCLC? We saw in CheckMate-026 that nivolumab did not meet the PFS endpoint, but pembrolizumab does have approval in the frontline setting.


Both agents use different assays for PD-L1 testing, and we saw data that not all of the PD-L1 tests are exactly the same. The IHC 28-8 PharmDx test, which is the diagnostic test for nivolumab, looks like it captures a wider group of positive people. The IHC 22C3 PharmDx test, which is the test for pembrolizumab, may be a little bit more selective. Then, the Ventana PD-L1 (SP142) test for atezolizumab…looked like it had the fewest positives out of anyone. All of these tests are accepting in different positive groups, plus there are different cutoffs for each of the drugs. 

I’m not convinced that the differences between pembrolizumab and nivolumab led to the differences in the trial, so much that the differences are in testing and selecting different groups of patients. The patients with the tumors that express the highest level of PD-L1, are going to be the ones most likely to respond—and the frontline setting makes sense. When we see response rates of 30%, 40%, and 50%, those rival what we see from platinum chemotherapy doublets. But, when we see response rates of 10%, 20%, or less than 10% forEGFR-mutant patients, then we think, “Wait until second- or third-line.” It’s mainly a PD-L1 testing issue that has to be figured out.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:Beyond frontline, what do you recommend for second-line treatment?


Nivolumab is approved for all second-line patients without any testing diagnostics, so that is the more commonly used drug, I suspect. I am increasingly doing the IHC 22C3 PharmDx pembrolizumab test for patients. If I have a few weeks to decide and determine my level of enthusiasm of whether I should go with the anti—PD-1 agent or more standard cytotoxic chemotherapy, then I’ll do the test in advance and figure out the probability of response.

For the 0% PD-L1—positive patients, you could make an argument that second-line chemotherapy or third-line single-agent chemotherapy is as good—not worse.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:Do you envision there being more combinations with immunotherapy or immunotherapy with chemotherapy?


Immunotherapy can be combined with almost everything: chemotherapy, radiation therapy, targeted therapy, and, most excitedly, are other immunotherapies. We are trying to figure out how to make immunotherapy work for more patients and work for a longer time. We have a number of trials open in the combination immunotherapy realm.

We are also exploring combinations with radiation and with chemotherapy. I am not convinced whether they are synergistic or we are increasing the response rates. This is because there’s a chance of response to chemotherapy and to immunotherapy alone, and then we would be adding those 2 together.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:There has been much progress made in the last couple of years. What does the future hold?


We are going to further refine the question of which patients do we give anti­—PD-1/PD-L1 drugs to and in which line of therapy. We need to have a more standard algorithm in practice for that. Hopefully, we will find who we can give ipilimumab (Yervoy) and nivolumab to or other checkpoint inhibitors, other CTLA-4 combination therapies, and then hopefully we will see some new breakthroughs—new drugs working together. These include vaccines, OX40, and IDO inhibitors; all of those have potential to be synergistic and really increase the response rates and duration of response for patients.

I tell my patients, “Right now, without any PD-L1 testing, it’s like rolling a 6-sided die. If it comes up on your favorite number it works but, really, there is a [1] of 6 chance in unselected patients that these drugs will work. And, that’s just not good enough.”

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:Are there any ongoing trials that you are involved in?


We have EGFR inhibitors looking to overcome acquired resistance. At Stanford Medicine, we have a lot of patients withEGFR-mutant NSCLC who are always looking for new lines of therapy after other things haven’t worked. We have seen a couple of new ALK inhibitors, but overcoming acquired resistance for ourALK-positive patients is important, too.

Beyond the PD-1/PD-L1 immunotherapy, we are opening and looking toward the T-cell transgenic therapy trials, such as cellular therapy trials. At Stanford Medicine, we are opening new cellular therapy trials to reengineer patients with these T cells to try and fight the cancer in a way they may not have otherwise.

The PD-1/PD-L1 drugs basically break down a shield that the tumor put up around it. However, if we can teach the T cell to fight the tumor if it didn’t want to in the first place, that’s exciting.

TARGETED ONCOLOGY:What is the importance of molecular testing, especially going forward in this field?


We test all first-line patients forEGFR,ALK, andROS1. Those results come back within 1 to 2 weeks, and then we also do a next-generation sequencing (NGS) test. Then, we also do a slower NGS test. However, NGS takes 4 weeks or so for turnaround time and, the faster you have a frontline decision, the better. Patients are nervous, even for 1 and a half weeks, and I could never wait 4 weeks to decide on theEGFRtests. Frontline will do all of those and, in the community setting, it may be a little too much. You could certainly wait for NGS for second-line treatment; that is very reasonable, too.

For acquired resistance, it’s important to do a repeat biopsy. Increasingly, we are using the blood-repeat biopsies first and looking for acquired resistance forEGFR-mutant lung cancer—looking for theT790Mmutation, and also repeat biopsy of tissue.

Related Videos
Related Content